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It seems there is pretty good evidence that Stern made pre war pipes for [[BBB]]. We hope to flush that out here as more information becomes available. Please feel free to add any information you have here, or send it to sethile.pipes@gmail.com. Perhaps we can eventually add the result into the main article... --[[User:Sethile|sethile]] ([[User talk:Sethile|talk]]) 09:37, 3 June 2016 (EDT)
It seems there is pretty good evidence that Stern made pre war pipes for [[BBB]]. We hope to flush that out here as more information becomes available. Please feel free to add any information you have here, or send it to sethile.pipes@gmail.com. Perhaps we can eventually add the result into the main article... --[[User:Sethile|sethile]] ([[User talk:Sethile|talk]]) 09:37, 3 June 2016 (EDT)


=== The case for some Pre-war BBBs having been made by LHS ===
From a thread on [http://pipesmagazine.com/forums/topic/bbb-made-by-lamph-stern-co PipesMagazine.com] by Dave Gossett:


Here is a BBB that was possibly made by LHS. I hope the BBB collectors chime in with any information. There are too many similarities to just be coincidence. Besides the fact that LHS pipes are great burners, the scarce information and mystery surrounding L&H Stern piques my curiosity of this extinct American pipe maker.


''The following information and photos are from Dave Gossett, who has an extensive collection of L&H Stern pipes and related tobacciana, and has done extensive research. This will eventually be added into the main article while reconciling any conflicting or redundant information:''
<center><gallery widths=450 heights=250px>
 
File:BBB(LHS)1-Superfine32.jpg|Suspected LHS made BBB, stamped BBB Surperfine shape #32
[[File:LHS Sign Dave1.jpg|thumb|Early L&H Sterm Sign, courtesy Dave Gossett]][[File:LHS Building Dave2.jpg|thumb|Building on Pearl and Waters street in Brooklyn, courtesy Dave Gossett]]Ludwig Stern, a successful pipe manufacturer since 1893 and closing around 1960, reorganized his company along with his brother Hugo Stern, opening a factory in 1911. They named the company L&H Stern Smoking Pipes & Holders. The newly formed company was moved into a six story building on the corner of Pearl and Waters street Brooklyn, NY. 
File:BBB(LHS)5-Superfine32Stinger.jpg|BBS Superfine Stinger Details
 
'''Notes from Geyer's Stationer:'''<br>
Thoroughly organized in all departments, and housed in a well-lighted and ventilated modern office and manufacturing building, the firm of L&H Stern Inc. is located near the first arch of the Manhattan bridge, near the river and convenient to the Brooklyn bridge, which makes it accessible from all the hotels in the metropolis for visiting buyers. The structure is six stories with a seventeen-foot basement, with light on three sides through prismatic glass windows, the first floor being seven feet above the sidewalk. Light enters the upper floors from all four sides.
 
L&H Stern is known to every important wholesaler and jobber in the country. LHS manufactures a complete line of briar pipes. Ginmetto wood pipes are also made, as well as Redmanol goods, the man-made amber. The first substitute for amber. Everything, even down to the sterling silver and other metal trimmings are made under one roof.
 
 
 
 
<gallery widths=350px heights=250px caption="Examples of pipes entirely made under roof">
File:LHS RedmanolStem Dave3.jpg|Example with Redmanol Stem (man-made amber)
File:LHS BakeliteStem Dave4.jpg|LHS Bakelite
</gallery>
 
L&H Stern advertised pipes at prices starting from $1 and topping out at $25. One Advertisement said: ''"Remember, any LHS is the best pipe in its class".''
<center><gallery widths=300px heights=300px caption="''LHS is the best pipe in its class''">
File:LHS FilterKingBoard Dave5.jpg|A display board of Entry level Filter Kings selling for $1
File:LHS SpecialMakeAd Dave6.jpg|Ad for the Highest grade "Special Make", at $25
File:LHS 14k Sterncraft SevenDaySet Dave7.jpg|Beautiful Sterncrest seven day cased set, with 14K Gold Bands
</gallery></center>
</gallery></center>


Besides having the look and feel of an LHS, It is stamped Superfine, also the name of an LHS model. It has a stinger identical to LHS pipes of this era. They both have the two piece aluminum fittings in the stem/shank connection. The stem has a pale blue dot surrounded by a silver circle, the same as an LHS Warwick. The model number stamping is the same font used on LHS from the 1920's through the 1940's.


The brand had 8 pipe grades listed in the 1944 issue of Outdoor Magazine.
<center><gallery widths=450 heights=300px caption="Nomenclature details">
*Star Crest Ultrafine $ 10
File:BBB(LHS)2-BBBSuperfine32Nomenclature.jpg|BBS Superfine Nomenclature
*Star Crest 14K $ 7.50
File:LHS PostwarSuperfineNomenclature Dave13.jpg|LHS Superfine Nomenclatuer (1920's-1940's)
*Star Crest Sterling $ 5
*Certified Purex $3.50
*Select Grain $2.50
*Sivercrest $ 2
*Superfine Purex $1.50
*Sculpted Purex $1.50
 
'''Additional notes:'''
 
Some models were made before, during, and after WWII.
 
Pre-war pipes were stamped Real Briar Root, or Briar Root. Some war time pipes were made from domestic briar, or "American" briar and were void of any briar stampings. Many American pipe makers lost their over seas supply of Mediterranean briar shortly before and during the war.  Post war pipes were stamped Imported Briar to assure customers that they were buying premium briar once again. 
 
<center><Gallery widths=300px heights=300px caption="Example of Pre war nomenclature, courtesy Dave Gossett">
File:LHS PreWarNomenclature Dave8.jpg
File:LHS PreWarNomenclature Dave9.jpg
</gallery></center>
</gallery></center>




 
<center><gallery widths=450 heights=275px caption="BBS and LHS Stinger and stem details in comparison">
<center><gallery widths=350px heights=250px caption="War time Superfine, made from domestic briar.  Simply stamped LHS Superfine, and void of any briar stamp or metal fittings, courtesy Dave Gossett">
File:BBB(LHS)6-StingerComparison.jpg|From top to bottom: BBB Superfine, LHS Certified Purex, LHS Silver Circle (The patent number on my Silver Circle dates to 1924)
File:LHS WartimeSuperfine Dave10.jpg
File:BBB(LHS)4-LHSWarickDetails.jpg|LHS Warwick Details, courtesy [http://pipephil.eu/ Pipephil]
File:LHS WartimeSuperfine Dave11.jpg
</gallery></center>
</gallery></center>


Ludwig Stern moved his pipe factory to Brooklyn,NY in 1920. Louis Blumfeld opens an American branch in New York around 1914 according to Pipedia. These two pipe makers were practically neighbors in the 1920's.


 
<center><gallery widths=400 heights=200px caption="BBS Superfine and LHS Purex Superfine in comparison">
<center><gallery widths=350px heights=250px caption="Post war Superfine and nomenclature, courtesy Dave Gossett">
File:BBB(LHS)7-Superfine32.jpg|BBS Superfine #32
File:LHS PostwarSuperfine Dave12.jpg
File:BBB(LHS)8-LHSSuperfine.jpg|LHS Purex Superfine
File:LHS PostwarSuperfineNomenclature Dave13.jpg
</gallery></center>
</gallery></center>


'''Sources'''
'''Editors Note:''' You be the judge and form your own conclusions, but it is compelling evidence, to be sure! If you have any further details that might present an argument pro or con please add them here, or send them to sethile.pipes@gmail.com, and I can add them for you. --[[User:Sethile|sethile]] ([[User talk:Sethile|talk]]) 09:35, 5 June 2016 (EDT)
*Tobacco: An illustrated weekly journal
*Geyer's Stations
*The Rotarian

Latest revision as of 00:41, 7 June 2016

It seems there is pretty good evidence that Stern made pre war pipes for BBB. We hope to flush that out here as more information becomes available. Please feel free to add any information you have here, or send it to sethile.pipes@gmail.com. Perhaps we can eventually add the result into the main article... --sethile (talk) 09:37, 3 June 2016 (EDT)

The case for some Pre-war BBBs having been made by LHS

From a thread on PipesMagazine.com by Dave Gossett:

Here is a BBB that was possibly made by LHS. I hope the BBB collectors chime in with any information. There are too many similarities to just be coincidence. Besides the fact that LHS pipes are great burners, the scarce information and mystery surrounding L&H Stern piques my curiosity of this extinct American pipe maker.

  • Suspected LHS made BBB, stamped BBB Surperfine shape #32

    Suspected LHS made BBB, stamped BBB Surperfine shape #32

  • BBS Superfine Stinger Details

    BBS Superfine Stinger Details

Besides having the look and feel of an LHS, It is stamped Superfine, also the name of an LHS model. It has a stinger identical to LHS pipes of this era. They both have the two piece aluminum fittings in the stem/shank connection. The stem has a pale blue dot surrounded by a silver circle, the same as an LHS Warwick. The model number stamping is the same font used on LHS from the 1920's through the 1940's.

  • Nomenclature details
  • BBS Superfine Nomenclature

    BBS Superfine Nomenclature

  • LHS Superfine Nomenclatuer (1920's-1940's)

    LHS Superfine Nomenclatuer (1920's-1940's)


  • BBS and LHS Stinger and stem details in comparison
  • From top to bottom: BBB Superfine, LHS Certified Purex, LHS Silver Circle (The patent number on my Silver Circle dates to 1924)

    From top to bottom: BBB Superfine, LHS Certified Purex, LHS Silver Circle (The patent number on my Silver Circle dates to 1924)

  • LHS Warwick Details, courtesy Pipephil

    LHS Warwick Details, courtesy Pipephil

Ludwig Stern moved his pipe factory to Brooklyn,NY in 1920. Louis Blumfeld opens an American branch in New York around 1914 according to Pipedia. These two pipe makers were practically neighbors in the 1920's.

  • BBS Superfine and LHS Purex Superfine in comparison
  • BBS Superfine #32

    BBS Superfine #32

  • LHS Purex Superfine

    LHS Purex Superfine

Editors Note: You be the judge and form your own conclusions, but it is compelling evidence, to be sure! If you have any further details that might present an argument pro or con please add them here, or send them to sethile.pipes@gmail.com, and I can add them for you. --sethile (talk) 09:35, 5 June 2016 (EDT)

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