This article has no indication of who authored it, so not sure who to address, but if this discussion page triggers an email to the author, I'd appreciate a come back. I am interested in dating (decade would be good enough) a Hardcastle 'CAMDEN'#45 (stem is probably not original), which is listed in this article as a 'pre-cadogan' model. Nowhere do I see a reference to cadogan in this article or the Dunhill article on this site. Who or what is cadogan and approximately what time frame does 'pre-cadogan' cover? Thanks!
Druconomy, biliography, and Cadogan
Hopfully there is someone who monitors this page. I have the following comments:
1) I think it is Dryconomy, not "Druconomy" as listed in the Pre-Gadogan line only because I have seen a pipe marked "HARDCASTLE BRITISH MADE DRYCONOMY 66".
2) It sure would be nice if authors cited where they get their info like a regular wiki. I'd rather not repeat things that aren't true.
3) I wish that whoever wrote this would add a bit more about Cadogan or create a Cadogan page and link it in this article.
Thanks and good luck!
- Hello Joe and others, I just saw the comments above. Sorry I did not reply sooner. I agree that it would be beneficial to have information better cited, much better! Some articles are cited, while others, way too many, are not. Sometimes by looking at the View History tab and comparing the different versions you can at least see what users have contributed the information. Sometimes the only record is the IP address of the computer the information was contributed from. Pipedia is still a work in progress, to be sure. This article in particular seems to generate a fair amount of questions. Here is an E-mail I received today from Andrew Serafin, for instance, which I will post here in case anyone can help with his questions :
- You introduced the products names of Hardcastele and its’ grouping: Pre-Cadogan Era and Seconds.Question #1: Could I know what is your source of info to follow my quest to know best? Question #2: Why you use the Pre-Cadogan as point of division? Neither Dunhill nor Hardcastele were in the Codogan group until I know. The story of Codogan group (until I know) is:
- “In 1920 Oppenheimer had purchased BBB (Blumfeld’s Best Briar, formerly A. Frankau), little later Loewe & Co. , and large shares of Comoy's of London. The economic crisis in the early 1920s induced the foundation of Cadogan Investments Ltd., named for its seat at Cadogan Square in London. The Cadogan group was a super ordinated holding company, in order to tune all activities of Oppenheimer’s brands in the pipe industry, whereby an extensive independence of the single brands were preserved. Remember, the Oppenheimers and Adlers weren’t pipe specialists, but rather sales people who depended on their experts in the British and French plants.”
- The short history of Hardcastle is:
- Independent 1903: Edmund Hardcastle establishes the brand
- Family owned 1936: The family sells 49% of the Hardcastle Pipes Limited shares to Dunhill
- Dunhill period 1946: Dunhill buys the remaining shares. The family continues to manage the company
- End? of Hardcastle 1967: Dunhill merges Hardcastle with Parker. The new Parker-Hardcastle Limited company absorbs the Masta Patent Pipe Company also.
- The short history of Hardcastle is:
- I would assume the grouping should be into: Familly period (1903-1936) and Dunhill second (1946-1967). (Although I do not know if pipes were marked as Hardcastle after merging with Parker in 1967, and some boxes were with name Parker-Hardcastle. I imagine after 1967 Hardcastle would be second to Parker.
Cleaned up the article as best I could
I cleaned up the main article as best I could. If those of you with more expertise would take a look and let me know if anything needs further clarification I would greatly appreciate it! --sethile (talk) 17:25, 20 February 2014 (UTC)