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At that time, it was common practice in commerce to offer other companies surplus stummels at agreed prices. Cadogan used to sell Grade A to Dunhill, and buy him Grade II, III, and IV stummels. But they did not finish the pipes for the other companies: to sell stummels of grade A to Dunhill was more profitable than to make them pipes!</q> See the full article [http://www.fumeursdepipe.net/artbbb.htm?fbclid=IwAR3Qau72uD7Qkc4srlfoaOdOBbHTK9-p87zCBqMl_AZzIt3jgJHGSFp7dQM here]</blockquote> | At that time, it was common practice in commerce to offer other companies surplus stummels at agreed prices. Cadogan used to sell Grade A to Dunhill, and buy him Grade II, III, and IV stummels. But they did not finish the pipes for the other companies: to sell stummels of grade A to Dunhill was more profitable than to make them pipes!</q> See the full article [http://www.fumeursdepipe.net/artbbb.htm?fbclid=IwAR3Qau72uD7Qkc4srlfoaOdOBbHTK9-p87zCBqMl_AZzIt3jgJHGSFp7dQM here]</blockquote> | ||
====Pipe Workshop Today==== | |||
The factory is located in a district in northeastern London, Walthamstow, since 1982. The brand was repositioned, and the pipes received new stamps in March 2012. Now they are known as "Alfred Dunhill's - The White Spot". | |||
*See pictures and video here: '''[[Dunhill Factory]].'''<br> | |||
We recently consulted Mr. Hener to get more information about the briar used today and here is the answer: | |||
<blockquote><q>We try to source the best Briar money can buy from a variety of different sources. Sometimes we do know the exact origin of the wood and sometimes we cannot be entirely sure (especially when sourcing via specialist wholesalers), but more important than the origin is the actual quality of the wood that we purchase and, consequently, the quality of pipes we can make out of it. All wood comes from the Mediterranean region and the countries or areas bordering the Mediterranean sea, be it France, Italy, Corsica, Greece, Morocco, Algeria, etc. <br>As for the age of the wood, the quality of our pipes necessitates a certain minimum age as a suitable Briar root (Erica Arborea) may take around 50 to 100 years to mature in the ground to allow for suitable size and also quality of its grain, but sometimes we can obtain Briar that is considerably older.</q> Hener, K. S., Product Line Director - The White Spot Smoker's Accessory Division and Walthamstow site. January, 2020.</blockquote> | |||
For some time, rumors have been spread about outsourcing the production of pipes and that they are manufactured in France - even today. Mr. Hener assures that production is in-house - this is just unfounded rumors, as we can see in an article for Pipes and Tobaccos - fall 2010, By Stephen A. Ross, called: "A century of excellence". | |||
<blockquote><q>While Hener and Wilson are both insistent that there is little in common between Parker, Charatan and Dunhill pipes, they more passionately refute reports that Dunhill pipes are made anywhere other than the factory on St Andrews Road.<br>The rumors that our Dunhill pipes are made in St. Claude, France, are completely false,” Hener bluntly states. While conducting a tour of the factory floor, Wilson shows two employees working with band saws, cutting blocks and shaping them into rough bowls, and adds, I think that those rumors started from other companies who are jealous of our position. They’re envious of our position and reputation in the market and they want to try to knock us down a little.</q> Pipes and Tobaccos - fall 2010.</blockquote> | |||
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== About | == About New and Old Pipes == | ||
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Among the brand lovers, there are always doubts as to the quality of the pipes and their relationship with the period when it was manufactured. It is often said that Dunhill only manufactured good pipes until mid-1968 and after that, the quality was compromised. The patents Era ended in 1954, but it is said that good pipes continued to be made until mid-1968. In an article called "The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking"[http://www.greatnorthernpipeclub.org/Myth.htm], Dr Fred Hanna brings to the light of our consideration what might justify this thought. | Among the brand lovers, there are always doubts as to the quality of the pipes and their relationship with the period when it was manufactured. It is often said that Dunhill only manufactured good pipes until mid-1968 and after that, the quality was compromised. The patents Era ended in 1954, but it is said that good pipes continued to be made until mid-1968. | ||
<blockquote><q>Originally at the time in the late 1970's - when a so-called cut-off date was established between for the great Dunhills versus more current production - the actual year was 1962. Then it migrated to 1964 then the current 1968. In my mind, what did change were aesthetics.</q> Richard Esserman.</blockquote> | |||
In an article called "The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking"[http://www.greatnorthernpipeclub.org/Myth.htm], Dr Fred Hanna brings to the light of our consideration what might justify this thought. | |||
<blockquote><q>Dunhill is famous for its oil curing techniques and this is believed to be a source of its peculiar and particular taste and flavor characteristics. On the surface this sounds quite neat and tidy. But just a bit of analysis immediately makes such claims quite suspect. Does every Dunhill have that same character? I could find no evidence for this in the tastings that I have done with Dunhills. One vital question concerns when a particular Dunhill pipe was made. Bill Taylor of Ashton pipe fame has remarked that during all the twenty-plus years that he worked for Dunhill, that he never observed any oil applied to a Dunhill bowl. David Field told me on two occasions that he is convinced that oil curing stopped after 1968 and after that Dunhill pipes were quite different. Thus, Dunhills after the mid-1960s do not appear to have been oil cured at all and, on top of that, their bowls seem to have come from different suppliers.</q> Dr Fred Hanna - The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking.</blockquote> | <blockquote><q>Dunhill is famous for its oil curing techniques and this is believed to be a source of its peculiar and particular taste and flavor characteristics. On the surface this sounds quite neat and tidy. But just a bit of analysis immediately makes such claims quite suspect. Does every Dunhill have that same character? I could find no evidence for this in the tastings that I have done with Dunhills. One vital question concerns when a particular Dunhill pipe was made. Bill Taylor of Ashton pipe fame has remarked that during all the twenty-plus years that he worked for Dunhill, that he never observed any oil applied to a Dunhill bowl. David Field told me on two occasions that he is convinced that oil curing stopped after 1968 and after that Dunhill pipes were quite different. Thus, Dunhills after the mid-1960s do not appear to have been oil cured at all and, on top of that, their bowls seem to have come from different suppliers.</q> Dr Fred Hanna - The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking.</blockquote> | ||
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<span style="font-size:small">'''Note:''' Mr. Richard Dunhill also mentions this change in an interview on Jack Webster's show, in 1984 [https://pipedia.org/wiki/Dunhill#Video_Interview_with_Richard_Dunhill].</span> | <span style="font-size:small">'''Note:''' Mr. Richard Dunhill also mentions this change in an interview on Jack Webster's show, in 1984 [https://pipedia.org/wiki/Dunhill#Video_Interview_with_Richard_Dunhill].</span> | ||
At the beginning of the 60th decade, the Italian government restricted the use of the Briar to Italian manufacturers and the Algerian briar became scarce (consequence of the Algerian War of Independence. 1954-1962), which forced Dunhill to turn to Grecian briar, as R. D. Fields said in [[The Art of Sandblasting]], "During the 1960s and ’70s Dunhill could not acquire the Algerian briar." Consequently, the company’s sandblast pipes were much shallower and less distinct. | At the beginning of the 60th decade, the Italian government restricted the use of the Briar to Italian manufacturers and the Algerian briar became scarce (consequence of the Algerian War of Independence. 1954-1962), which forced Dunhill to turn to Grecian briar, as R. D. Fields said in [[The Art of Sandblasting]], "During the 1960s and ’70s Dunhill could not acquire the Algerian briar." Consequently, the company’s sandblast pipes were much shallower and less distinct and, as R. D. Fields also related in another article, [[A Tail of Two Briars]] that the age of the briar used in the '60s was averaged between 60 and 100 years old and then changed drastically to a briar less aged, between 50 and 80 years. This factors contributed to the construction of this concept of loss of quality. But as Dr. Hanna argues in his article, "briar from certain regions has different physical qualities, but this does not seem to be related to taste and smoking potential." Mr. Esserman, Loring and David Webb also mention this changes. | ||
<blockquote><q>Dunhill around 1970 could not get discrete wood for the various - Sardinian for Tanshells, Algerian for Shells - Dunhill had to move to what I was told wood from Greece which did not blast as deep. Dunhill for a brief period used a black understain on the Shells - Dunhill experimented using blanks instead of hand-cut bits. So in the early-mid 1970's - Dunhill's reputation suffered. But Dunhill rebounded around 1975 and 1978 was one of Dunhill's greatest years ever.</q> Richard Esserman.</blockquote> | |||
<blockquote><q>Since the early 1960's Algerian briar has been largely unavailable to Dunhill and much harder briar (primarily Grecian) has had to be used for the finish. As a consequence since the mid-1960s, the Shell finish is generally found with a significantly shallower blast.</q> Loring, J. C., The Dunhill Briar Pipe, The Patent Years and After (self-published, Chicago, 1998).</blockquote> | <blockquote><q>Since the early 1960's Algerian briar has been largely unavailable to Dunhill and much harder briar (primarily Grecian) has had to be used for the finish. As a consequence since the mid-1960s, the Shell finish is generally found with a significantly shallower blast.</q> Loring, J. C., The Dunhill Briar Pipe, The Patent Years and After (self-published, Chicago, 1998).</blockquote> | ||
<blockquote><q>According to David Webb, the Dunhill pipe did have a problem in the mid-1970's, not so much with quality as with the outward signs of quality. Those in charge of policy at the time decided that the "shell" must be totally black and shiny - a blue-black stain was used, eliminating any reddish highlights. At the same time, the "bruyere" finish was lightened from its original plum color. These two changes have dampened the pipe's reputation and may be the cause for some criticism I have heard; but, even with these pipes, the underlying quality is still there. Since that time, of course, there has been a return to the original "bruyere" finish, and the new "deep shell" has reached our shores in limited quantity.</q> The Dunhill Pipe: a comparison of then and now by R.D. Fields, for Pipe Smoker in Fall 1983.</blockquote> | |||
The metrics used in defining the concept of "quality loss" seems to be related to misperceptions of changes and aesthetics subjective values. In these circumstances, any definitive conclusion may be premature and unfair. Even the process of oil curing, that was considered determinant in quality, in the end, it not so decisive, as we can see in another consideration of Dr. Hanna: | |||
<blockquote><q>Several Dunhill collectors have told me in no uncertain terms that the old patent Dunhills (before 1955) smoke decidedly better than the later models. So, which time frame owns the peculiar Dunhill character? This adds considerable ambiguity to the great taste of a Dunhill. Does oil curing make the difference? Probably not if Dunhill pipes have not been oil cured for perhaps 33 years, and Bill Taylor implies that after a while oil curing is not a factor anyway. Taylor, who oil cures his own Ashton pipes, has stated that the effects of oil curing can no longer be discerned in a pipe after 30 or so bowls of tobacco. In other words, after a sufficient cake has formed and the pipe is well broken-in, the influence of the bowl treatment or curing method becomes negligible. Now where, I ask, is that unique Dunhill character? The cake and the wood itself probably have more influence on taste than the curing method after many, many, smokes.</q> Dr Fred Hanna - The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking.</blockquote> | <blockquote><q>Several Dunhill collectors have told me in no uncertain terms that the old patent Dunhills (before 1955) smoke decidedly better than the later models. So, which time frame owns the peculiar Dunhill character? This adds considerable ambiguity to the great taste of a Dunhill. Does oil curing make the difference? Probably not if Dunhill pipes have not been oil cured for perhaps 33 years, and Bill Taylor implies that after a while oil curing is not a factor anyway. Taylor, who oil cures his own Ashton pipes, has stated that the effects of oil curing can no longer be discerned in a pipe after 30 or so bowls of tobacco. In other words, after a sufficient cake has formed and the pipe is well broken-in, the influence of the bowl treatment or curing method becomes negligible. Now where, I ask, is that unique Dunhill character? The cake and the wood itself probably have more influence on taste than the curing method after many, many, smokes.</q> Dr Fred Hanna - The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking.</blockquote> | ||
There are pipes from different periods that, due to the manufacturing process, present some minor irregularities, such as misaligned bowl drilling, white dot and funnel bore of stem - especially in the '90s. But that doesn't mean they weren't good pipes. Some | There are pipes from different periods that, due to the manufacturing process, present some minor irregularities, such as misaligned bowl drilling, white dot and funnel bore of stem - especially in the '90s. But that doesn't mean they weren't good pipes. Some criticisms seem to be nostalgic - the brand continues to manufacture good pipes today, now called "Alfred Dunhill's - The White Spot". | ||
<blockquote><q>I know many collectors who have told me personally that some of their Dunhills smoke great, while some do not smoke so well. I personally have owned a few Dunhills that were poor smokers and others that were fantastic.</q> Dr Fred Hanna - The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking.</blockquote> | <blockquote><q>I know many collectors who have told me personally that some of their Dunhills smoke great, while some do not smoke so well. I personally have owned a few Dunhills that were poor smokers and others that were fantastic.</q> Dr Fred Hanna - The Myth of Brand and Maker in Pipesmoking.</blockquote> | ||
<blockquote><q>I will say that I have smoked hundreds of Dunhill's - from all time periods and have found that the smoking qualities are great - no matter what the date of manufacture. I have the largest standard Production Roots from the 1970's - magnums from the early 2000's - just bought a 2019 Ring Grain Magnum - and have many great Magnums from the 1920's - 1930. So the 1968 date is meaningless.</q> Richard Esserman.</blockquote> | |||
<blockquote><q>In order to discern quality in a pipe, one has to look at only a few things (of course much of the real judgment is in the smoking): the turned and bored bowl; the shank bore; the tenon/ferrule connection; the lip of the mouthpiece; the look and feel of the finish. Dunhill, I submit, has as high a standard of quality as it has ever had. This does not mean that every Dunhill released for sale, today, is a perfect pipe, for some are not! What it does mean is that the percentage of imperfect Dunhills is no greater today than, say, 1924. I have discovered two imperfect pipes in my 1920-1927 collection. </q> The Dunhill Pipe: a comparison of then and now by R.D. Fields, for Pipe Smoker in Fall 1983.</blockquote> | |||
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Kalmon S. Hener, Product Line Director of The White Spot division. May-2019. | Kalmon S. Hener, Product Line Director of The White Spot division. May-2019. | ||
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In the magazine ''Pipes and Tobaccos'' - fall 2010, there is an article By Stephen A. Ross called: "A century of excellence" that talks about the past, the present and the future of the brand. It also talks about the current manufacture of Dunhill pipes and a little about Mr. Kalmon Hener, one of our contributors and Product Line Director of the White Spot Division. | In the magazine ''Pipes and Tobaccos'' - fall 2010, there is an article By Stephen A. Ross called: "A century of excellence" that talks about the past, the present and the future of the brand. It also talks about the current manufacture of Dunhill pipes and a little about Mr. Kalmon Hener, one of our contributors and Product Line Director of the White Spot Division. | ||
<blockquote><q>A century after Alfred Dunhill opened his first pipe workshop, Dunhill pipes continue to be synonymous with English excellence. Guarding the flame a century after Alfred Dunhill provided the spark is Kalmon S. Hener, the general manager of Alfred Dunhill Ltd.’s smoking accessory division, now known as the White Spot Division; Stephen Wilson, the production manager who has been with Dunhill for more than 40 years; and approximately 20 employees who make pipes and leather goods at Dunhill’s legendary factory on St. Andrew’s Road in Walthamstow, an area in northeast London not far from White Hart Lane, home stadium to the English Premier League’s Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. | <blockquote><q>A century after Alfred Dunhill opened his first pipe workshop, Dunhill pipes continue to be synonymous with English excellence. Guarding the flame a century after Alfred Dunhill provided the spark is Kalmon S. Hener, the general manager of Alfred Dunhill Ltd.’s smoking accessory division, now known as the White Spot Division; Stephen Wilson, the production manager who has been with Dunhill for more than 40 years; and approximately 20 employees who make pipes and leather goods at Dunhill’s legendary factory on St. Andrew’s Road in Walthamstow, an area in northeast London not far from White Hart Lane, home stadium to the English Premier League’s Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Dunhill’s position atop the pipe market is strong. According to Hener, 2009 sales in the United States alone were up by more than 60 percent, making it the top market for Dunhill pipes.</q> Pipes and Tobaccos - Fall 2010.</blockquote> | ||
* '''See the full article [https://pipedia.org/images/8/86/Pipe-Tobaccos-10-4Fall.pdf here], from page 8 to 11.''' | * '''See the full article [https://pipedia.org/images/8/86/Pipe-Tobaccos-10-4Fall.pdf here], from page 8 to 11.''' | ||
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<q>It is a highly unusual shape for a Dunhill, of course. It is graded 3 Amber Flames. This was one of 4 prototypes made for a set of pipes that were made for the Dunhill Jules Verne Journey to the Center of the Earth 3 pipe cased set that reportedly sold for $96,000 in Paris in the early 2000s. One of the 3 pipes was an extra-large volcano similar to my pipe you see here. In other words, my pipe was one of the “loser" pipes. In the Dunhill volcano pipe that was finally chosen for the set, 24 karats gold “lava” was running down the sides of the bowl to represent lava erupting from the volcano (pipe) as in the novel.</q> Fred J. Hanna. | <q>It is a highly unusual shape for a Dunhill, of course. It is graded 3 Amber Flames. This was one of 4 prototypes made for a set of pipes that were made for the Dunhill Jules Verne Journey to the Center of the Earth 3 pipe cased set that reportedly sold for $96,000 in Paris in the early 2000s. One of the 3 pipes was an extra-large volcano similar to my pipe you see here. In other words, my pipe was one of the “loser" pipes. In the Dunhill volcano pipe that was finally chosen for the set, 24 karats gold “lava” was running down the sides of the bowl to represent lava erupting from the volcano (pipe) as in the novel.</q> Fred J. Hanna. | ||
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* '''Note:''' <q>The first pipe stamped with “Alfred Dunhill's THE WHITE SPOT” (instead of the Dunhill longtail logo in an elliptical circle) was the now-famous Eiffel Tower pipe (with the 3 lines all horizontal and parallel). For subsequent pipes, we made a new stamp, whereby “Alfred” and “Dunhill's” are arched and the “THE WHITE SPOT” stayed straight for other pipes. This stamp is in continuous use since March 2012.</q> Hener, K. S., Product Line Director - The White Spot Smoker's Accessory Division and Walthamstow site. | * '''Note:''' <q>The first pipe stamped with “Alfred Dunhill's THE WHITE SPOT” (instead of the Dunhill longtail logo in an elliptical circle) was the now-famous Eiffel Tower pipe (with the 3 lines all horizontal and parallel). For subsequent pipes, we made a new stamp, whereby “Alfred” and “Dunhill's” are arched and the “THE WHITE SPOT” stayed straight for other pipes. This stamp is in continuous use since March 2012.</q> Hener, K. S., Product Line Director - The White Spot Smoker's Accessory Division and Walthamstow site. | ||
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== About Christmas Pipe == | |||
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[[File:Dcp2006.jpg|thumb|right|160px|Christmas Pipe 2006]] | |||
It was in 1980 that the first commemorative Dunhill Christmas pipe appeared. Throughout the '80s, own them were a point of honor for collectors. They were available in a few hundred pieces and the supply did not meet the demand; few distributors could have one available to their customers. Since 1982 the pipes have been accompanied by a leather box in the shape of a book. Until 1992 each pipe was exclusively dedicated to Christmas of the year. From 1993 edition, the pipes were further included in a 12-year series, dedicated to fairy tales of the English tradition and accompanied by a silver tamper (that echoes the theme of the fairy tale), as well as by the certificate and leather box (...). The series has gone through many phases and continues in production. | |||
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== Meerschaum == | == Meerschaum == | ||
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Apparently Dunhill made Meerschaum pipes in the late | Apparently, Dunhill made Meerschaum pipes in the late 1960s. Richard Esserman reports the NYC Dunhill store carried them (as we will see ahead, they were already manufactured in 1933). | ||
<center><font size="3">[[File:Aspas-copy.png|40px]]In the past we could obtain the raw material from Turkey. Nowadays, the Turkish government banned the export of Meerschaum as raw material and only allows export of finished goods; that is why we stopped using this material and currently do not manufacture Meerschaum pipes.[[File:Aspas.png|40px]]</font> Hener, K. S., Product Line Director - The White Spot Smoker's Accessory Division and Walthamstow site.'''</center> | |||
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A meerschaum lined pipe combines the smoking qualities of meerschaum, like a cool smoke and neutrality in taste, with the look, feel and durability of wood. | |||
It's an extremely rare pipe — difficult to see it around (especially those of the '60s)... Many didn't even know of the existence, for others, it was a myth. | |||
Since the Turkish government banned the export of Meerschaum, it is difficult to produce them. We have found a few from the '60s, '80s, '90s and early 2000. | |||
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'''Note:''' There is an earlier reference about this model and other Meers in a 1933 catalog, as Mr. Hener explain here: | |||
[[File:Catalogue 1933 - Meerschaum pipes.jpg|thumb|left|80px|Catalogue]] | |||
<center><font size="3">[[File:Aspas-copy.png|40px]]I found a much earlier reference in our catalogue from 1933 (left). | |||
Please see on page 8 the two pipes marked 5 and 6, which are Bruyere pipe with Meerschaum tops (& possibly lining) fitted with Amber mouthpieces. I believe we made Meerschaum linings until about 1980 and Meesrchaum “Calabash” inserts until about 10 years ago.[[File:Aspas.png|40px]]</font> Hener, K. S., Product Line Director - The White Spot Smoker's Accessory Division and Walthamstow site.'''</center> | |||
* '''See more examples here: [[Dunhill Meerschaum]]''' | * '''See more examples here: [[Dunhill Meerschaum]]''' | ||
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* The White Spot - Product News, July 2017 (2017-1) [https://pipedia.org/images/e/e4/ProductNews2017-1.pdf here]. | |||
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<blockquote><q>A famous catalog, filled with with information (and misinformation) about Dunhill, great pictures of pipes, cigars ([[Dunhill Cigars]]), humidors, lighters, cigarette holders, clocks, and other accessories. Includes the peculiar assertion that straight grained pipes are cut from the center or "heart" of the root--whereas no pipes are ever cut from this portion! A great resource.</q> Goldberger</blockquote> | <blockquote><q>A famous catalog, filled with with information (and misinformation) about Dunhill, great pictures of pipes, cigars ([[Dunhill Cigars]]), humidors, lighters, cigarette holders, clocks, and other accessories. Includes the peculiar assertion that straight grained pipes are cut from the center or "heart" of the root--whereas no pipes are ever cut from this portion! A great resource.</q> Goldberger</blockquote> | ||
* ''' | * '''About Smoke from 1927, see here: [https://www.finepipes.com/gallery/dunhill-about-smoke.html?fbclid=IwAR26NPJdKGnB3JVWmMzlTJrJvBAsOVA2BOgRevAu7wkKtlNT6gVNc6ujTeM About Smoke]''' | ||
* '''About Smoke Catalog - Unknown Date, see here: [[About Smoke Catalog]] | |||
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