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Comoy's pipes were given shape numbers in the 1909 catalogue and also names for each shape, but it would seem that these numbers were NOT stamped on the pipes until sometime in the 1920's. The earliest known is from 1925. The shape numbers are all 3 digits until after the Cadogan acquisition of Comoy's in 1979, when some shapes were introduced with 4 digit numbers. However, they may have been introduced earlier in 1976, 1977 or 1978. On pre Cadogan pipes additional letters can be found after the three numbers:
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[[Comoy's]] pipes were given shape numbers in the 1909 catalogue and also names for each shape, but it would seem that these numbers were NOT stamped on the pipes until sometime in the 1920s. The earliest known is from 1925. The shape numbers are all 3 digits until after the [[Cadogan]] acquisition of Comoy's in 1979, when some shapes were introduced with 4 digit numbers. However, they may have been introduced earlier in 1976, 1977 or 1978.


*M on Meerschaum lined pipes.
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*P on Panel shaped bowls. ( This may not always be the case as I have now seen a photograph of a non panel Shape 309 with a P)
On pre-Cadogan pipes additional letters can be found after the three numbers:
*C on some shapes with curved bits. This does not seem to be universal for all curved bits and it would appear to be mainly on Princes and Bulldogs.
* M on [[Meerschaum]] lined pipes.
*F believed to indicate a "Fishtail" bit. Verified on an early 1930's Virgin Briar with the shape number 206F and a fishtail bit exactly like the Dunhill F/T, that was not introduced until 1950.
* P on Panel shaped bowls. This may not always be the case as I have now seen a photograph of a non panel Shape 309 with a P.
* C on some shapes with curved bits. This does not seem to be universal for all curved bits and it would appear to be mainly on Princes and Bulldogs.
* F believed to indicate a "Fishtail" bit. Verified on an early 1930s Virgin Briar with the shape number 206F and a fishtail bit exactly like the [[Dunhill]] F/T, that was not introduced until 1950.
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{| class="wikitable"
|+Size
|-
|S||small
|-
|M||medium
|-
|L||large
|-
|XL||extraordinare shape
|-
|LW||lightweight shape
|}


''(S)=saddle bit - A/M=army monunt - sq=squat - sq.shank=square shank''
{| class="wikitable"
|+Additional Information
|-
|(S)||saddle bit
|-
|A/M||army monunt
|-
|sq.||squat
|-
|sq.shank||square shank
|}


''S=small  -  M=medium  -  L=large  -  XL=extraordinare shape  -  LW=lightweight shape''
'''Note:''' This chart has been changed to an easier to edit format. If you would prefer to see the format it was in before, the last version of that is still available at [[Special:PermanentLink/48046]].


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{|class="wikitable"
style='width:80.0%'>
|-
<tr>
!Shape #!!Shape Description!!Degree of Bend!!Size!!Additional Information
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|-
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|3||bulldog|||str.||M||
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span
|-
  style='font-size:9.0pt'># </span></b></p>
|4||bulldog||str.||L||(S)
  </td>
|-
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|5||bulldog||str.||L||(S)
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|-
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span
|5XL||bulldog||str.||XL||(S)
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>type</span></b></p>
|-
  </td>
|6||billiard||str.||M||(S)
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|-
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|13||billiard||1/2||S||
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span
|-
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>bent</span></b></p>
|17||kruger||1/2||M||(S)
  </td>
|-
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|19||billiard||str.||L||A/M
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|-
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><b><span
|20||billiard||str.||L||A/M
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>etc.</span></b></p>
|-
  </td>
|23||billiard||str.||L||A/M, canted bowl
</tr>
|-
<tr>
|24||billiard||str.||S||A/M
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|-
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|25||billiard||str.||M||A/M
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
|-
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>3</span></p>
|26||billiard||1/2||M||A/M
  </td>
|-
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|27||billiard||str.||L||(S)
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|-
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
|28||billiard||str.||M||
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>bulldog</span></p>
|-
  </td>
|30||liverpool||str.||||
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
|-
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
|35||dublin||str.||||
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
|-
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>str.</span></p>
|36||dublin||str.||||
  </td>
|-
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>M</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>4</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>bulldog(S)</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>str.</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>L</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>5</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>bulldog(S)</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>str.</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>L</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>5XL</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>bulldog(S)</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>str.</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>XL</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>6</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>billiard(S)</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>str.</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>M</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>13</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>billiard</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>1/2</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>S</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>17</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>kruger(S)</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>1/2</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>M</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>19</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>A/M billiard</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>str.</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>L</span></p>
  </td>
</tr>
<tr>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:.75pt .75pt .75pt .75pt'>
  <p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span
  style='font-size:9.0pt'>20</span></p>
  </td>
  <td style='border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;
  border-right:solid #ABABAB 1.0pt;padding:


'''Note:''' Bill Wagner, a collector of pre-Cadogan, shop-branded Comoys has an example of Comoy shape 388 who describes it as identical to shape 66 (Liverpool) in a side-by-side comparison, except the bowl is a bi-pointed oblong in cross-section. Pre-WW II country of origin marking, and stamped "Charlestowne" (for, or by the pipe shop of that name in South Carolina).
== Shape Chart ==
 
<gallery widths=500 heights=772 caption="Circa 1975 (Pre-Cadogan) Shape Chart, courtesy Doug Valitchka">
File:Shape Chart 1975 1.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 2.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 3.jpg
</gallery>
 
== References ==
 
<references />


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[[Category:Pipe makers by nationality]]
[[Category:Great Britain]]
[[Category:Great Britain]]
[[Category:Comoy's]]
[[Category:Comoy's]]

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