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Comoy's pipes were given shape numbers in the 1909 catalogue and also names for each shape, but it would seem that these numbers were NOT stamped on the pipes until sometime in the 1920's. The earliest known is from 1925. The shape numbers are all 3 digits until after the Cadogan acquisition of Comoy's in 1979, when some shapes were introduced with 4 digit numbers. However, they may have been introduced earlier in 1976, 1977 or 1978. On pre Cadogan pipes additional letters can be found after the three numbers:
[[Comoy's]] pipes were given shape numbers in the 1909 catalogue and also names for each shape, but it would seem that these numbers were NOT stamped on the pipes until sometime in the 1920s. The earliest known is from 1925. The shape numbers are all 3 digits until after the [[Cadogan]] acquisition of Comoy's in 1979, when some shapes were introduced with 4 digit numbers. However, they may have been introduced earlier in 1976, 1977 or 1978.


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*M on Meerschaum lined pipes.
On pre-Cadogan pipes additional letters can be found after the three numbers:
*P on Panel shaped bowls. ( This may not always be the case as I have now seen a photograph of a non panel Shape 309 with a P)
* M on [[Meerschaum]] lined pipes.
*C on some shapes with curved bits. This does not seem to be universal for all curved bits and it would appear to be mainly on Princes and Bulldogs.
* P on Panel shaped bowls. This may not always be the case as I have now seen a photograph of a non panel Shape 309 with a P.
*F believed to indicate a "Fishtail" bit. Verified on an early 1930's Virgin Briar with the shape number 206F and a fishtail bit exactly like the Dunhill F/T, that was not introduced until 1950.
* C on some shapes with curved bits. This does not seem to be universal for all curved bits and it would appear to be mainly on Princes and Bulldogs.
* F believed to indicate a "Fishtail" bit. Verified on an early 1930s Virgin Briar with the shape number 206F and a fishtail bit exactly like the [[Dunhill]] F/T, that was not introduced until 1950.
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''(S)=saddle bit  - A/M=army monunt  - sq=squat  - sq.shank=square shank''
{| class="wikitable"
|+Size
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|S||small
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|M||medium
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|L||large
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|XL||extraordinare shape
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|LW||lightweight shape
|}


''S=small  - M=medium  -  L=large  - XL=extraordinare shape  - LW=lightweight shape''
{| class="wikitable"
|+Additional Information
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|(S)||saddle bit
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|A/M||army monunt
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|sq.||squat
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|sq.shank||square shank
|}


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{| class="wikitable" style="margin: left;"
!Shape #!!Shape Description!!Degree of Bend!!Size!!Additional Information
|<center>'''Shape #'''||'''Shape Description'''  |||'''Degree of Bend'''  ||||'''Additional Information'''</center>
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|3||bulldog|||str.||M||
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|4||bulldog||str.||L||(S)
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|5||bulldog||str.||L||(S)
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|5XL||bulldog||str.||XL||(S)
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|-
|3||bulldog|||str.||||M
|6||billiard||str.||M||(S)
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|4||bulldog(S)|||str.||||L
|13||billiard||1/2||S||
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|5||bulldog(S)|||str.||||L
|17||kruger||1/2||M||(S)
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|5XL||bulldog(S)|||str.|||||XL
|19||billiard||str.||L||A/M
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|6||billiard(S)|||str.||||M
|20||billiard||str.||L||A/M
|-
|-
|13||billiard|||1/2||||S
|23||billiard||str.||L||A/M, canted bowl
|-
|-
|17||kruger(S)|||1/2||||M
|24||billiard||str.||S||A/M
|-
|-
|19||A/M billiard|||str.||||L
|25||billiard||str.||M||A/M
|-
|-
|20||A/M billiard|||str.||||L
|26||billiard||1/2||M||A/M
|-
|-
|23||A/M billiard|||str.||||canted bowl L
|27||billiard||str.||L||(S)
|-
|-
|24||A/M billiard|||str.||||S
|28||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|25||A/M billiard|||str.||||M
|30||liverpool||str.||||
|-
|-
|26||A/M billiard|||1/2||||M
|35||dublin||str.||||
|-
|-
|27||billiard(S)|||str.||||L
|36||dublin||str.||||
|-
|-
|28||billiard|||str.||||M
|39||dublin||str.||M||A/M
|-
|-
|30||liverpool|||str.||||-
|42||billiard||1/2||M||
|-
|-
|35||dublin|||str.||||-
|43||billiard||1/2||L||
|-
|-
|36||dublin|||str.||||-
|47||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|39||A/M dublin|||str.||||M
|52||dublin||1/4||||flatbottom/sitter
|-
|-
|42||billiard|||1/2||||M
|56||brandy||1/8||||[[Everyman]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Everyman56-01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Everyman56-07.jpg]
|-
|-
|43||billiard|||1/2||||L
|61||cavalier||full bent||||vulcanite foot
|-
|-
|47||billiard|||str.||||M
|64||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|52||dublin|||1/4||||flatbottm sitter
|66||liverpool||str.||L||
|-
|-
|61||cavalier|||full bent.||||vulcunite foot
|70||billiard||1/2||L||A/M
|-
|-
|64||billiard|||str.||||M
|74||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|66||liverpool|||str.||||L
|78||globe||str.||L||A/M
|-
|-
|70||A/M billiard|||1/2||||L
|80||bulldog||str.||M||
|-
|-
|74||billiard|||str.||||S
|84||billiard||str.||||sq.shank, saddle stem, paneled
|-
|-
|78||A/M globe|||str.||||L
|87||woodstock||1/8||||oval stem
|-
|-
|80||bulldog|||str.||||M
|88||Yacht, Woodstock, or Zulu?||slight bend||||[[Guildhall]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Guildhall01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Guildhall04.jpg]
|-
|-
|84||paneled billiard|||str.||||square shank, saddle stem
|93||belgian||str.||L||
|-
|-
|87||woodstock|||1/8||||oval stem
|97||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|88||Yacht, Woodstock, or Zulu? [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Guildhall01.jpg see example], [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Guildhall04.jpg example detail]|||slight bend||||
|98||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|93||belgian|||str.||||L
|100||billiard||1/2||XL||
|-
|-
|97||billiard|||str.||||M
|102||pot||str.||L||A/M
|-
|-
|98||billiard|||str.||||M
|103||pot||str.||S||A/M
|-
|-
|100||billiard|||1/2||||XL
|104||pot||str.||M||A/M
|-
|-
|102||A/M pot|||str.||||L
|106||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|103||A/M pot|||str.||||S
|107||pot||str.||S||
|-
|-
|104||A/M pot|||str.||||M
|110||billiard||str.||L||
|-
|-
|106||billiard|||str.||||S
|111||liverpool||str.||||
|-
|-
|107||pot|||str.||||S
|112||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|110||billiard|||str.||||L
|117||pot||str.||L||
|-
|-
|111||liverpool|||str.||||-
|122||pot||str.||M||
|-
|-
|112||billiard|||str.||||S
|123||pot||str.||M||
|-
|-
|117||pot|||str.||||L
|124||pot||str.||XL||(S)
|-
|-
|122||pot|||str.||||M
|125||pot||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|123||pot|||str.||||M
|126||pot||str.||L||
|-
|-
|124||pot(S)|||str.||||XL
|127||billiard||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|125||pot|||str.||||XL
|129||globe||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|126||pot|||str.||||L
|130||globe||str.||XL||(S)
|-
|-
|127||billiard|||str.||||XL
|131||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|129||globe|||str.||||XL
|133||liverpool||str.||||
|-
|-
|130||globe(S)|||str.||||XL
|156||lovat||str.||S||
|-
|-
|131||billiard|||str.||||S
|157||billard||str.||||flat bottom
|-
|-
|133||liverpool|||str.||||-
|159||globe||str.||S||
|-
|-
|156||lovat|||str.||||S
|178||pocket/vest||str.||||round tapered stem, [[Bond Street]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Bond_Street-178-01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Bond_Street-178-07.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Bond_Street-178-09.jpg]
|-
|-
|157||billard|||str.||||flat bottom
|182||billard||str.||L||(S)
|-
|-
|159||globe|||str.||||S
|184||globe||1/2||M||
|-
|-
|182||billard(S)|||str.||||L
|185||billiard||str.||L||[[Old Mariner]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:OldMariner2-01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:OldMariner2-07.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:OldMariner2-08.jpg]
|-
|-
|184||globe|||1/2||||M
|186||billiard||str.||L||
|-
|-
|185||billiard|||str.||||L
|187||tall billiard||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|186||billiard|||str.||||L
|188||stack||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|187||tall billiard|||str.||||XL
|189||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|188||stack|||str.||||XL
|190||liverpool||str.||||
|-
|-
|189||billiard|||str.||||M
|202||danish||1/8||||oval stem
|-
|-
|190||liverpool|||str.||||-
|203||cutty||str.||||oval stem
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|-
|202||danish|||1/8||||oval stem
|206||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|203||cutty|||str.||||oval stem
|210||lovat||str.||S||
|-
|-
|206||billiard|||str.||||S
|211||author||1/4||||nearly identical to 256
|-
|-
|210||lovat|||str.||||S
|212||lovat||str.||L||
|-
|-
|211||author|||1/4||||nearly identical to 256
|213||clay tavern||str.||||with a spur
|-
|-
|212||lovat|||str.||||L
|214||billiard||1/2||M||
|-
|-
|213||clay tavern|||str.||||with a spur
|215||billiard||1/2||M||(S)
|-
|-
|214||billiard|||1/2||||M
|216||bulldog||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|215||billiard(S)|||1/2||||M
|218||bulldog||str.||M||(S)
|-
|-
|216||bulldog|||str.||||XL
|222||cutty||str.||M||
|-
|-
|218||bulldog(s)|||str.||||M
|225||calabash||1/4||M||
|-
|-
|222||cutty|||str.||||M
|228c||prince||1/8||||[[Old Mariner]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:OldMariner01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:OldMariner07.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:OldMariner08.jpg]
|-
|-
|225||calabash|||1/4||||M
|229||bulldog||1/4||||
|-
|-
|228c||prince|||1/8||||-
|234||bulldog||str.||M||
|-
|-
|229||bulldog|||1/4||||-
|235||kruger||str.||XL||
|-
|-
|234||bulldog|||str.||||M
|238||bulldog||str.||M||(S)
|-
|-
|235||kruger|||str.||||XL
|245||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|238||bulldog(S)|||str.||||M
|250||dublin||str.||||oval stem
|-
|-
|245||billiard|||str.||||S
|252||pot||str.||S||(S)
|-
|-
|250||dublin|||str.||||oval stem
|256||author||1/4||M||
|-
|-
|252||pot(S)|||str.||||S
|270||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|256||author|||1/4||||M
|274||globe||str.||M||A/M
|-
|-
|270||billiard|||str.||||M
|282||bulldog||1/4||M||
|-
|-
|274||A/M globe|||str.||||M
|284||rhodesian||1/4||M||
|-
|-
|282||bulldog|||1/4||||M
|291||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|284||rhodesian|||1/4||||M
|292||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|291||billiard|||str.||||M
|296||canadian||str.||L||oval stem
|-
|-
|292||billiard|||str.||||M
|298||canadian||str.||L||(S)
|-
|-
|296||canadian|||str.||||oval stem L
|298||prince||1/8||S||A/M
|-
|-
|298||canadian(S)|||str.||||L
|299||canadian||str.||||oval stem
|-
|-
|298||A/M prince|||1/8||||S
|301||dublin||str.||||
|-
|-
|299||canadian|||str.||||oval stem
|303||prince||1/8||M||A/M
|-
|-
|301||dublin|||str.||||-
|309||liverpool||str.||XL||
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|-
|303||A/M prince|||1/8||||M
|311||canadian||str.||L||
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|-
|309||liverpool|||str.||||XL
|331||bulldog||str.||L||sq.
|-
|-
|311||canadian|||str.||||L
|331c||bulldog||1/8||L||sq.
|-
|-
|331||sq.bulldog|||str.||||L
|332||billiard||str.||L||
|-
|-
|331c||sq.bulldog|||1/8||||L
|332B||billiard||str.||L||round shank w/ flat base, [[Guildhall]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Guildhall-332b-01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Guildhall-332b-07.jpg]
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|-
|332||billiard|||str.||||L
|334||globe||str.||L||
|-
|-
|334||globe|||str.||||L
|335||globe||str.||S||
|-
|-
|335||globe|||str.||||S
|336c||prince||1/8||||
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|-
|336c||prince|||1/8||||-
|337c||prince||1/8||||
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|-
|337c||prince|||1/8||||-
|338||prince||str.||||pear bowl
|-
|-
|338||prince|||str.||||pear bowl
|339||prince||str.||||pear bowl
|-
|-
|339||prince|||str.||||pear bowl
|339p||prince||str.||||pear bowl, paneled
|-
|-
|339p||prince|||str.||||pear bowl, paneled
|340||billiard||str.||M||
|-
|-
|340||billiard|||str.||||M
|341||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|341||billiard|||str.||||S
|342||billiard||str.||XL||(Dunhill LB)
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|-
|342||billiard|||str.||||XL (dunhill LB)
|343||billiard||str.||XL||(S)
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|-
|343||billiard(S)|||str.||||XL
|345||stack||str.||L||
|-
|-
|345||stack|||str.||||L
|346||cutty||str.||S||
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|-
|346||cutty|||str.||||S
|359||globe||str.||M||
|-
|-
|359||globe|||str.||||M
|361||pot||str.||S||
|-
|-
|361||pot|||str.||||S
|362||liverpool||str.||||
|-
|-
|362||liverpool|||str.||||-
|363||foursquare||str.||||sq.shank
|-
|-
|363||foursquare|||str.||||sq.shank
|364||bullcap||str.||||
|-
|-
|364||bullcap|||str.||||-
|364p||bullcap||str.||||paneled
|-
|-
|364p||bullcap|||str.||||paneled
|368||globe||str.||L||
|-
|-
|368||globe|||str.||||L
|386||bulldog||str.||||paneled bowl
|-
|-
|386||bulldog|||str.||||paneled bowl
|388||liverpool<ref>The shape 388 was originally listed here as a cutty, but is infact more of a Liverpool with pointed front and back bowl, like a double ended ship. Bill Wagner, a collector of pre-Cadogan, shop-branded Comoy's has an example of Comoy's shape 388 who describes it as identical to shape 66 (Liverpool) in a side-by-side comparison, except the bowl is a bi-pointed oblong in cross-section. Pre-WWII country of origin marking, and stamped ''"Charlestowne"'' for, or by the pipe shop of that name in South Carolina. See [[Everyman Shape 388]] Example.</ref>||str.||M||
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|-
|388||originally listed here as a cutty, but more of Livepool with pointed front and back bowl (like a double ended ship)(see note at bottom)|||
|398||bulldog||str.||L||(S), sq.
str.||||M
|-
|-
|398||sq.bulldog(S)|||str.||||L
|402||globe||str.||S||
|-
|-
|402||globe|||str.||||S
|405||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|405||billiard|||str.||||S
|409||bulldog||1/4||||(S)
|-
|-
|409||bulldog(S)|||1/4||||-
|430||bulldog||str.||||triangular shank
|-
|-
|430||bulldog|||str.||||triangular shank
|431||billiard||str.||S||
|-
|-
|431||billiard|||str.||||S
|433||dublin||1/8||||
|-
|-
|433||dublin|||1/8||||-
|434||liverpool||str.||||
|-
|-
|434||liverpool|||str.||||-
|435||lovat||str.||||cyrindrical bowl
|-
|-
|435||lovat|||str.||||cyrindrical bowl
|436B||liverpool||str.||||[[Everyman]] example [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Everyman436B-01.jpg] [https://pipedia.org/wiki/File:Everyman436B-07.jpg]
|-
|-
|437||billiard(S)|||str.||||M
|437||billiard||str.||M||(S)
|-
|-
|440||rhodesian|||str.||||M
|440||rhodesian||str.||M||
|-
|-
|441||hexagonol panel|||str.||||sq.shank
|441||hexagonol panel||str.||||sq.shank
|-
|-
|442||dublin|||1/4||||sq.shank
|442||dublin||1/4||||sq.shank
|-
|-
|446||horn|||str.||||M flat bottom
|446||horn||str.||M||flat bottom
|-
|-
|463||bullcap|||str.||||M
|463||bullcap||str.||M||
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|-
|480||dublin(S)|||str.||||-
|480||dublin||str.||||(S)
|-
|-
|481||billard(S)|||str.||||flat bottom
|481||billard||str.||||(S), flat bottom
|-
|-
|483||globe(s)|||str.||||L
|483||globe||str.||L||(S)
|-
|-
|484||billiard(S)|||str.||||L
|484||billiard||str.||L||(S)
|-
|-
|495||pot(S)|||str.||||L
|495||pot||str.||L||(S)
|-
|-
|496||pot(S)|||str.||||M
|496||pot||str.||M||(S)
|-
|-
|497||pot(S)|||str.||||sq.shank
|497||pot||str.||||(S), sq.shank
|-
|-
|499||rhodesian|||1/4||||XL
|499||rhodesian||1/4||XL||
|-
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|501||bulldog|||1/8||||LW
|501||bulldog||1/8||LW||
|-
|-
|503||prince|||1/8||||pear bowl LW
|503||prince||1/8||LW||pear bowl
|-
|-
|504||prince|||1/8||||LW
|504||prince||1/8||LW||
|-
|-
|505||billiard|||1/16||||LW
|505||billiard||1/16||LW||
|-
|-
|506||billiard|||1/8||||LW paneled
|506||billiard||1/8||LW||paneled
|-
|-
|509||billiard|||1/8||||LW
|509||billiard||1/8||LW||
|-
|-
|511||prince|||1/8||||LW paneled
|511||prince||1/8||LW||paneled
|-
|-
|512||dublin|||1/8||||LW
|512||dublin||1/8||LW||
|-
|-
|513||billiard|||1/8||||LW
|513||billiard||1/8||LW||
|-
|-
|523||billiard|||1/2||||LW
|523||billiard||1/2||LW||
|-
|-
|532||globe(S)|||str.||||sq.shank
|532||globe||str.||||(S), sq.shank
|-
|-
|534||foursquare(S)|||str.||||sq.shank
|534||foursquare||str.||||(S), sq.shank
|-
|-
|551||globe(S)|||str.||||S
|551||globe||str.||S||(S)
|-
|-
|552c||prince(S)|||str.||||-
|552c||prince||str.||||(S)
|-
|-
|553||pot|||str.||||S
|553||pot||str.||S||
|-
|-
|554||billiard(S)|||str.||||M
|554||billiard||str.||M||(S)
|-
|-
|556||prince(S)|||str||||-
|556||prince||str||||(S)
|-
|-
|588||poker|||1/8||||L
|588||poker||1/8||L||
|-
|-
|589||dublin(S)|||1/4||||modern
|589||dublin||1/4||||(S), modern
|-
|-
|594||pear(S)|||1/4||||modern
|594||pear||1/4||||(S), modern
|-
|-
|596||billiard(S)|||1/8||||modern flat bottom
|596||billiard||1/8||||(S), modern flat bottom
|-
|-
|600||skater|||1/4||||modern
|600||skater||1/4||||modern
|-
|-
|601?||poker|||1/4||||modern (two entries for shape # 601)
|601?||poker||1/4||||modern (two entries for shape # 601)
|-
|-
|601?||billiard|||1/8||||LW (two entries for shape # 601)
|601?||billiard||1/8||LW||(two entries for shape # 601)
|-
|-
|603||poker|||3/4||||modern
|603||poker||3/4||||modern
|-
|-
|604||dublin(S)|||1/4||||modern
|604||dublin||1/4||||(S), modern
|-
|-
|607||billiard(S)|||1/4||||modern
|607||billiard||1/4||||(S), modern
|-
|-
|608||billiard|||str.||||LW
|608||billiard||str.||LW||
|-
|-
|616||prince|||1/8||||LW
|616||prince||1/8||LW||
|-
|-
|618||billiard(S)|||str.||||LW
|618||billiard||str.||LW||(S)
|-
|-
|620||pot(S)|||str.||||LW
|620||pot||str.||LW||(S)
|-
|-
|621||globe(S)|||str.||||LW
|621||globe||str.||LW||(S)
|-
|-
|623||dublin(S)|||1/4||||modern paneled
|623||dublin||1/4||||(S), modern paneled
|-
|-
|624||poker(S)|||1/4||||modern
|624||poker||1/4||||(S), modern
|-
|-
|624||pot|||str.||||LW paneled
|624||pot||str.||LW||paneled
|-
|-
|625||banker(S)|||1/4||||modern
|625||banker||1/4||||(S), modern
|-
|-
|681||sq.bulldog(S)|||str.||||M
|681||bulldog||str.||M||(S), sq.
|-
|-
|683||sq.bulldog(S)|||str.||||M
|683||bulldog||str.||M||(S), sq.
|-
|-
|803||foursquare|||str.||||XXL
|803||foursquare||str.||XXL||
|-
|-
|804||billiard|||1/2||||XXL
|804||billiard||1/2||XXL||
|-
|-
|807||canadian|||str.||||XXL
|807||canadian||str.||XXL||
|-
|-
|}
|}


== Shape Chart ==


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'''Note:''' Bill Wagner, a collector of pre-Cadogan, shop-branded Comoys has an example of Comoy shape 388 who describes it as identical to shape 66 (Liverpool) in a side-by-side comparison, except the bowl is a bi-pointed oblong in cross-section. Pre-WW II country of origin marking, and stamped "Charlestowne" (for, or by the pipe shop of that name in South Carolina).
See [[Everyman Shape 388]] Example.
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<gallery mode=slideshow caption="Circa 1975 (Pre-Cadogan) Shape Chart, courtesy Doug Valitchka">
File:Shape Chart 1975 1.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 1.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 2.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 2.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 3.jpg
File:Shape Chart 1975 3.jpg
</gallery>
</gallery>
== References ==
<references />


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[[Category:Pipe makers by nationality]]
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[[Category:Comoy's]]

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